Catalonia and the referendum phenomena - comments Catalonia and the referendum phenomena 2015-10-24T18:48:33Z https://www.treffpunkteuropa.de/catalonia-and-the-referendum-phenomena#comment21594 2015-10-24T18:48:33Z <p>I agree. Catalonian independence from Spain could be good for the EU. Spain has no moral right to oppose a free choice by Catalonia on this issue. European democratic values are incompatible with the policy of preventing the self-determination of peoples. Anyway what do the spanish want ? As a member of the EU independent from Spain Catalonia would share with them the same currency and external borders, the same EU budget (Catalonian money would still be flowing to Spain although less than now) and probably the same alliances (NATO). That is not OK with them, it seems that what they really want is to dominate the Catalans, force them to speak spanish, obey their king, depend on them. Is that for practical reasons (taxes) or for a need for self-assertion ?</p> <p>Sure enough, if Catalonia somehow broke free of Spain it would be against the will of the spanish governement ; then Spain would keep Catalonia from joining the EU and other international organizations. We should then expel Spain and welcome Catalonia. If Spain prevented that too, we should all leave the EU and the Euro and refound them with Catalonia and without Spain ; and the new EU should not be bound to unanimity regarding accession or expulsion of member states. If some members do not like a new member they can always leave. The spanish would then eventually come to their senses and ask to join the new EU.</p> <p>This is how we should deal with all the countries who act contrary to european values and common interests. We should not negotiate with them. If they accept these very broad standards they're in, if not, no one can oblige them, but no one can force us to keep them either.</p> <p>Freedom and independence work both ways.</p>